Hello Ilias,

Please, stop spam here... And please go back to your Abstract Solutions that

you are spent your last 20 years. Do not force as to ask NNTP admins block

you as it was for Eclipse news server.

Thank you

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Tops BI

http://www.topsbi.ru

Hello Alain,

AR> Where is Hani when you need him?

I'm afraid it is 'heavy artillery' )

Thanks!

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Amnon I. Govrin wrote:

> Did Ilias do an evaluation of Eclipse?

yes, you find pointers to the eclipse and netbeans evaluations within

the E02 thread:

EVALUATION - E02 - Open Source Technology Stack

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121535&message=3435613&q=453032#3435613

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Dmitry Kashin wrote:

Hi Ilias, Can you evaluate MS Visual Studio .NET for us, check your

rules on it and discuss MS team, CEO, support and team quality and

community too.

I'm not sure if they fulfill the basic requirements (implementation):

http://lazaridis.com/case/stack/index.html#requirements

You can make it right in this forum, comparision very

interestin for us.

[I estimate this would take me one month. I cannot do this at this

moment, at least not without a sponsor.]

I currently have to decide:

• evaluation of Borland JDeveloper

• starting with IntelliJ IDEA, although

• JetBrains seems to have low "gentleness"

• JetBrains seems to have low "evolution speed".

If I fail with both, jetBrains and Borland, then I will most possibly

move to .NET.

I've read something about an open source implementation from Novell.

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but for now, I'm still here.

Thanks, Dmitry

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Dmitry Kashin wrote:

IDEA doesn't fit following requirements.

It not "Based on Open Source (OSI compliant licensing)" and "Language neutral".

And other stack requirements too.

Those requirements are for the runtime (e.g. J2EE execution environment,

like Tomcat + mySQL + ORM + ...).

"Language neutral" subjects mostly the open standards (e.g. ODMG OODBMS

access instead of language specific JDO).

Go forward and skip IDEA cause it won't pass your test anyway, don't waste your time.

No, IDEA can be closed source.

Everything that IDEA produces (and the needed runtime-library) should

fulfill whenever possible the requirements (see thread E03, where I

await an official answer).

Thanks,

Dmitry

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Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

 

>> I've detected the major problems of the IntelliJ IDEA.

>>

>> The company seems to be a small one, CEO centered - and I doubt that

>> they can keep up with development, especially as they do not use in

>> any way open-source contribution mechanics (e.g. for lower-grade

>> subsystems).

 

...

 

>> The response within JetBrains on feedback is minimal or zero, which

>> indicates a low evolution speed.

 

    

OT: Technology (Was: How many IDEA registered users ?)

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=122430&tstart=0&trange=15#3439128

 

 

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Believe me: you need some deep viewing 2nd opinions.

 

.

 

Ilias, I have a suggestion, and I'm serious about it.

There are 2 sides for everything.

The 2 sides of your interaction with this and other forums in my opinion

can be summerized in 2 sentences:

1. If 5 people say you're drunk, you probably are.

2. "If you don't have a consensus that it's nonsense, you don't have a

breakthrough." (Said by the inventor of SpaceShipOne, Burt Rutan, cited

in Time Magazine of December 6, 2004, page 43 at the end).

What I'm saying is that since you are so sure that you know how to

research, develop, market and manage better than anyone else, go ahead

and prove everyone wrong by creating something of your own that will be

better, faster, leaner and greater.

Your other option is to accept that you're drunk.

Amnon

Norris Shelton wrote:

He is not drunk.  Unless you can get drunk from hitting the pipe.

 

Norris Shelton

Sun Certified Java Programmer

Merely a metaphore

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

How JetBrains will fail with its LOP efforts, as they oversee small but

critical details.

So you are waiting for others to work like you suggest and make

JetBrains and Eclipse fail, while you do nothing but complaining?

Sounds like a plan that would yield great things.

I feel kind of sad for you, as I gave you the benefit of the doubt that

you might be right and everyone else (including people who swept whole

industries with their inventions, not by waiting and whining that

JBuilder didn't do this or that) and here you go and prove me wrong by

setting your amazing W&W "plan" (Wait and Whine).

You want to change something? Change it. Create something. Until you do,

you will not have the credibility to assume better.

As the saying goes, "Build it and they will come". I will add - don't

build it and end up a bitter, loser, unaccomplished bum.

If you have built it, you don't need them.

Norris Shelton

Sun Certified Java Programmer

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Amnon I. Govrin wrote:

>

>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>>

>>> How JetBrains will fail with its LOP efforts, as they oversee small

>>> but critical details.

>>

...

>

>> As the saying goes, "Build it and they will come". I will add - don't

>> build it and end up a bitter, loser, unaccomplished bum.

>

>

I've already build it.

>

But companies were not willing/capable to see.

>

Including JetBrains.

>

.

>

By building I meant building, not contemplating.

Use your theories on a small product, system, company to prove your

concepts.

Then people will take you seriously.

I got my current job because I built real technology in my last job, not

because I came and said why all of the people around me were wrong.

Good luck,

Amnon

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Norris Shelton wrote:

 

>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>>

>>> Amnon I. Govrin wrote:

>>>

>>>> Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> How JetBrains will fail with its LOP efforts, as they oversee small

>>>>> but critical details.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> As the saying goes, "Build it and they will come". I will add -

>>>> don't build it and end up a bitter, loser, unaccomplished bum.

>>>

>>>

>>> I've already build it.

>>>

>>> But companies were not willing/capable to see.

>>>

>>> Including JetBrains.

 

>

> If you have built it, you don't need them.

 

I've built theoretical constructs.

 

First I try to apply them on existing systems.

 

If I fail, the I have to build new real systems.

 

I like to avoid this, to save time.

 

.

 

Norris Shelton wrote:

It sound like he wants to be a professional bullshitter.

 

Norris Shelton

Sun Certified Java Programmer

Has Sun a certification programm for "professional bullshitters"?

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Hani,

I am like most here and want nothing more than for Ilias to go away. But

what sort of human being says such sick and offensive things like "If you

have children, please smother them", to another human being? I normally find

your posts extremely entertaining and often have great respect for what you

have to say. In fact the larger proportion of your tirades are not only

valid but effective in turning the tide of popular opinion towards what you

believe in.

The content of this most recent diatribe, on the other hand, was completely

unjustified and in truth lacked the level of maturity associated with

someone older than the age of ten? When cries went out for you to interject

on this thread and put a stop to the obscure rants of our good friend Ilias,

I had high hopes for an intelligent, yet scathing response that would

hopefully send him scurrying back to the darkened troll cave from whence he

came. But I have to say I was disappointed and saddened by the degree to

which you lowered yourself in order to get a cheap laugh? It was out of

character (from the little bit I know about your character through reading

these forums and your bile blog) and I would have expected better from an

adult?

Please stop to think before spilling such pointless and offensive crud onto

the forum in future? It makes us all look very small...

Scott

>"Hani Suleiman" <hani@formicary.net> wrote in message

>news:24529012.1105805686457.JavaMail.itn@is.intellij.net...

Ahahaha!

>

Apologies to everyone for not jumping in on this (I usually just monitor

the EAP forums), but my oh my, where does one start!

>

Ilias, I have some tips for you that you should try to incorporate into

your master plan. The first and foremost of which to use correct English.

Now, I know it isn't your first language and all, but you know what? It's

not mine either. However, it's still fairly easy not to mix up your with

you're, and not to spell program and programm. Writing broken English is a

lot more likely to reveal that you're a brain damaged turd than if you

were to be more coherent, and your trolling would rise to the next level.

>

Secondly, why don't you just bugger off and use JBuilder? How much clearer

should it be to you that your presence here is not wanted, needed, or

appreciated? I'm sure if jetbrains (or eclipse, or any other entity)

needed help running their core business, you'd be last on the list based

on your ideas and opinions which have more in common with a crack addled

whore's notions of how to run a business than anyone passing third grade.

>

Did it ever occur to you that any sane company would go out of its way to

avoid responding to you, given that you're so clearly the result of an

inbreeding generic experiment gone horribly wrong?

>

Even worse for you, reality seems to be against you too, and regularly

spits in your face by making these companies successful, well run, and

well appreciated by the 'community'.

>

On the bright side, your animal cunning does help explain away every

reality based fact by insisting that 'eventually' you'll be proven right.

Sadly though, with people like you, evolution does not exist, only eternal

hope and faith in the power of tomorrow. You're probably surprised day by

day at the sun rising, but hold out in hope that your 'there is no sun'

theory will finally bear fruit out day, it's just a matter of time eh?

>

If you have children, please smother them, you'd be doing them and us a

huge favour. If you have parents, neuter them, that genetic line is a dead

end anyway.

"Yes, I see the irony"

hmmmm....

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

...

Copy of job application

 

2004-12-25

...

2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)

"

so, after lurking a little around on your side, a few things about your

site.

you don't give the impression that you could give, because you look much

smaller

than you are.

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forums:

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121126&message=3434819#3434819

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Main Page\

• unserious impression, to much graphic

• I don't see an serious IDE vendor

     => Focus on IDE

     => get layout & design impressions from 'big-looking' companies.

• basic layout and organisation confusing

   => provide your main menue home, products, ...

   => provide standard navigation

http://www.jetbrains.com/products.html

• top menue which appears here should be on main-page , too

• Top section (white) should be inserted ind "jetBrains" section (blue)

http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

• too much header (body starts too low)

• "IntelliJ" is overloaded.

• holiday-special becomes annoying

• information overload

   => structure information

• if navigation-speed is critical

     => provide active menues (standard-left-placed)

• do not use drop-down-menues

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Cannot extract what "IntelliJ" is.

Cannot extract what "A" in "IDEA" means.

Product naming switches between "IntelliJ IDEA" and "IDEA".

http://www.jetbrains.com/company/people/executives.html

If I remember right, together-Soft was sold for $200 Million to Borland,

which shows that the 3 executives came from an impressive company.

Should be stated somehow.

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I've overflown a LOP document, which sounds intresting.

I was confused that the CEO says thank you to an employee for doing his job.

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Suggestions:

Redesign Website

• slightly modified design & layout

• modularisation

• reduced information

Evaluate/Correct Product-Definitions & Orientations (especially for

Fabrique and the LOP)

• possibilities of Open-Source

• Practical Definitions

this is especially true for "Fabrique" / "LOP", where my correcting

intervention can save you many efforts and costs.

I will rewrite the basic requirements expressed here:

TECHNOLOGY - JAVA + NetBeans + ??? = easy & scalable production!

http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=848269&listName=nbusers

and can apply the directly to your products.

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I can operate budget oriented.

You can say:

Ok, we release budget of X$ for the website redesign

suggestions/examples and a budget of X$ for the product-definition (I

make product evaluations/definitions mostly whilst analysing/writing

website content)

.

"

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...

>>> Copy of job application

>>> 2004-12-25

>> ...

>>

>> 2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)

...

 

2005-01-06 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)

 

[Resend: you should never let someone wait so long, especially when

you know that he's in the need of a task.]

Rod Harwood answered a few hours later on the 2005-01-06 message,

justifying why i didn't get a response suggesting to move on if I need

urgently a task]

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Bye Bye

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:

 

>> ...

>>

>>>>> Copy of job application

>>>>> 2004-12-25

>>>>

>>>> ...

>>>> 2004-12-29 (followup message, contains stuff about jetbrains website)

>>>

>>> ...

>>> 2005-01-06 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)

>>> [Resend: you should never let someone wait so long, especially when

>>> you know that he's in the need of a task.]

>>

>>

>> Rod Harwood answered a few hours later on the 2005-01-06 message,

>> justifying why i didn't get a response suggesting to move on if I need

>> urgently a task]

 

2005-01-19 (resend of initial application, with additional remark)

 

[I close this request here now. I like to tell you that your answering

behaviour on a job application is more that unprofessional. A really

unbelievalbe arrogance, which I would expect from large scale companies

where applications gets lost.]

 

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Seems that JetBrains is not capable to detect.

 

Or they have no cash available.

 

Anyway, topic closed.

 

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Remeber to respect the forum fellows: please use the E05 thread for

comments going off-topic or subjecting my person.

 

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121764&tstart=15&trange=15

 

 

Thank you.

 

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education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary.

Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of

punishment and hope of reward after death."

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November 1930]

"Ilias Lazaridis" <ilias@lazaridis.com> wrote in message

news:csm87k$tqb$2@is.intellij.net...

Main Page\

• unserious impression, to much graphic

  

• I don't see an serious IDE vendor

     => Focus on IDE

     => get layout & design impressions from 'big-looking'

companies.

• basic layout and organisation confusing

   => provide your main menue home, products, ...

   => provide standard navigation

I assume you mean main page of www.jetbrains.com

I like the style. "serious" usually means "boring". Their

site has one problem: it is not liquid. The good thing that

it is XHTML/CSS with no tables or frames, has variable

character size, uses CSS media attribute (try print

preview). Overall, I would say, very nice looking, well

implemented site along with current trends.

http://www.jetbrains.com/products.html

• top menue which appears here should be on main-page ,

 

too

Did you see large blue blocks on the main page? They are

clickable But I agree with you on that.

• Top section (white) should be inserted ind "jetBrains"

section (blue)

Purely a design issue. Not your problem, neither mine.

http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

• too much header (body starts too low)

• "IntelliJ" is overloaded.

• holiday-special becomes annoying

• information overload

   => structure information

    

• if navigation-speed is critical

     => provide active menues (standard-left-placed)

      

• do not use drop-down-menues

 

Subjective,  > /dev/null .

Cannot extract what "IntelliJ" is.

Cannot extract what "A" in "IDEA" means.

Whos problem is that?

Product naming switches between "IntelliJ IDEA" and

"IDEA".

Ford Focus and Focus.

Suggestions:

>

Redesign Website

  

• slightly modified design & layout

  

• modularisation

  

• reduced information

 

Subjective,  > /dev/null

I will rewrite the basic requirements expressed here:

>

TECHNOLOGY - JAVA + NetBeans + ??? = easy & scalable

production!

>

http://www.netbeans.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=848269&listName=nbusers

>

and can apply the directly to your products.

>

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>

I can operate budget oriented.

Ah, now we getting somewhere. You found the ilness and

selling a cure? How XIX century I guess they do not need

your magic elixir

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with JetBrains.

Rob Bradley wrote:

>>I'm not intrested in an ordinary company which

>>insists on 'properly structured' applications.

 

Getting work can't be easy for somebody of your mindset.

you are right.

It is very difficult.

But I'm sure i will shortly find the company (or the company me) which

is worth my loyality.

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Dmitry Kashin wrote:

It may be not software, but medical company.

Don't worry.

I will not go nuts.

I'm highly immune against the irrationality within human populated

sofware development systems.

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Rayz wrote:

I'm curious.

 

When was your last job?

I mean a job where you had to work with people ....

I don't hide my failures:

http://lazaridis.com/resumes/lazaridis.html

I have interpersonal skills.

But not when i'm analyzing a domain

let's close this topic here, or please move to the E05 thread

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Fred Faber wrote:

Ilias,

 

Your English skills are terrible;  therefore, you can not hope to be

successful in a career in communication.

...

Are you a female?

You sound like you fell in love with me.

anyway, you are a little late.

The topics are closed.

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EVALUATION - E05 - Community / Community Feedback

http://www.intellij.net/forums/thread.jsp?forum=27&thread=121764&message=3436291

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